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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161449496" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161449496">(Mar 22 2019 at 13:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>Dear <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span>, steering meeting in <strong>five minutes</strong>.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161449519" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161449519">(Mar 22 2019 at 13:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>We've been discussing the agenda in <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20pre-planning" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20pre-planning">another topic</a>, and here is the plan.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161449607" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161449607">(Mar 22 2019 at 13:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>In terms of the major topic, I'll be creating a poll to select it (see below). While we're voting on the poll, we'll begin with 5-15min of <strong>announcements</strong>. The idea is that people can add something that they think is cool, and maybe we'll discuss it a bit.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161449627" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161449627">(Mar 22 2019 at 13:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>The two proposed topics for today are:</p>
<ul>
<li>Shorter-term compilation gains: </li>
</ul>
<p>We've got a lot of good projects planned, but I'm concerned that we need to also be sure we are understand the problems people face in everyday compiling. Among other things, I suspect there is still low-hanging fruit to be picked, but also I'm not convinced we have a good picture of what consumes the time when compiling (and it might not even be in the compiler). I'd like us to be able to say "not only are we working on RLS 2.0, but we've made serde 5% faster" (or whatever). Discuss. </p>
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<li>Needs of the compiler team:</li>
</ul>
<p>Can we try to enumerate what are some of things the compiler team needs to be tracking? What communication is (or <em>should</em>) be happening? I'd like us to be able to come up with a good list of all the things we think <em>should</em> be happening, so that we can compare against our existing processes, and try to ensure they are covered (or adjust the processes as needed).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161449632" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161449632">(Mar 22 2019 at 13:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>/poll Topic of the day</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161449663" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161449663">(Mar 22 2019 at 13:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Or add your own, if you have a good idea)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161449951" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161449951">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:02)</a>:</h4>
<p># Announcements</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161449982" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161449982">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>Let's get started <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> -- anybody have any announcements they'd like to share?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450014" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450014">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like I had some but now I have to think what they were :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450157" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450157">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1187">@WG-diagnostics</span> is planning <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59346" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59346">to use the annotate-snippets crate</a> instead of our internal diagnostics API and get rid of our in-tree diagnostics wild growth</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450198" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450198">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah, I guess I'll share one. In the <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1095">@WG-meta</span> meeting yesterday, we were discussing the plan to open an RFC concerning adding a new "role" for the compiler team. The current plan is to call this "regular contributors" (as in, contributing on a regular basis). Though part of my hope is that we'll bikeshed the name a bit. this is part of an overall effort to identify various levels of contribution -- anyway, if you're interested in that topic, please come and discuss in <a class="stream" data-stream-id="185694" href="/#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta">#t-compiler/wg-meta</a>. <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> were planning on working on the RFC together.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450231" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450231">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
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<p>is planning <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59346" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59346">to use the annotate-snippets crate</a> instead of our internal diagnostics API and get rid of our in-tree diagnostics wild growth</p>
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<p>ooh, nice! That crate is not part of the rust-lang org, though, right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450307" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Zoxc <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450307">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>I almost have a series of PRs pushing queries back to parsing ready. @mw will have some reviewing work when he gets back =P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450308" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450308">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I'm all for sharing, but would like to ensure we also have the ability to push bug fixes etc for a crucial bit of our infrastructure)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450315" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450315">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>nope, it's a complete rewrite by @zbraniecki , we might have to ask them to move it into rust-lang</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450395" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450395">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:07)</a>:</h4>
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<p>I almost have a series of PRs pushing queries back to parsing ready. </p>
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<p>Wow, very cool. Do you have any kind of sketch of the overall query setup? (e.g., how fine-grained they are and so forth)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450495" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Zoxc <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450495">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm starting out with very course grained queries (one of parsing, one for macro expansion + name resolution), which are non-incremental.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450508" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450508">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>Makes sense.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450552" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450552">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>Reminder: there is a <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850/near/161449632" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850/near/161449632">a poll for selecting the major topic here</a> (in case you came late and skipped to the bottom)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450560" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Zoxc <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450560">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>They're basically the same queries as <code>rustc_interface</code> had.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450710" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450710">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Question: Are any of you going to Rust LATAM next week? (I know <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> will be there =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450725" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450725">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>If so, come up and say hi...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450795" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Zoxc <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450795">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think replacing <code>rustc_metadata</code> with storing query results would be a good way to gain compilation speed, but it might not be too short-term, and probably want @mw around to chat about that. Not sure we'd have any people to work on it either right now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450823" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450823">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah. Sounds good though!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450883" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450883">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, let's turn to the main topic. Based on the poll, let's discuss</p>
<ul>
<li>Needs of the compiler team:</li>
</ul>
<p>Can we try to enumerate what are some of things the compiler team needs to be tracking? What communication is (or <em>should</em>) be happening? I'd like us to be able to come up with a good list of all the things we think <em>should</em> be happening, so that we can compare against our existing processes, and try to ensure they are covered (or adjust the processes as needed).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450902" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450902">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>niko you had already prepared a pair of lists</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450912" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450912">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>are they in a shared doc somewhere, or shall I make one?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450922" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450922">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>One small announcement from me, I have a working branch locally that does the variant/ctor id separation for enum variants that unblocks RFC 2008. Still need to tidy it up a little, but I'll have a PR up soon.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450924" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450924">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>So, I've created a <a href="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Compiler-team-tasks-and-roles--AZzR7l3lLxyT5AEO08Blu2kcAg-TZxdEmmzMTD049QvEG4Li" target="_blank" title="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Compiler-team-tasks-and-roles--AZzR7l3lLxyT5AEO08Blu2kcAg-TZxdEmmzMTD049QvEG4Li">paper doc here with some notes</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450930" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450930">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>One small announcement from me, I have a working branch locally that does the variant/ctor id separation for enum variants that unblocks RFC 2008. Still need to tidy it up a little, but I'll have a PR up soon.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>wow, nice!!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450977" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450977">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>You've been working on that for a while  =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450988" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450988">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I had kind of given up hope a mere mortal could do it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161450997" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161450997">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>So, I've created a <a href="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Compiler-team-tasks-and-roles--AZzR7l3lLxyT5AEO08Blu2kcAg-TZxdEmmzMTD049QvEG4Li" target="_blank" title="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Compiler-team-tasks-and-roles--AZzR7l3lLxyT5AEO08Blu2kcAg-TZxdEmmzMTD049QvEG4Li">paper doc here with some notes</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>So yeah <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> this was my doc, but I didn't quite finish organizing it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451006" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451006">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll transcribe some of the stuff here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451008" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451008">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>You've been working on that for a while  =)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>RFC 2008 impl was my first contribution, I've attempted to do this refactoring once every two months since then.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451021" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451021">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the easiest way to do this is probably to let people chat</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451045" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451045">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>And I'll come back and try to transcribe later (or maybe others can help out)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451056" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451056">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>One thing I recently noticed is that Zulip has the ability to "star<br>
" a comment</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451070" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451070">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>So, instead of using emoji, I say "star" comments that seem like they are key pointed for a summary</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451080" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451080">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>(It's very helpful when skimming later)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451100" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Aaron Turon <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451100">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>are the stars public? they might just be private favorites</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451141" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451141">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>are the stars public? they might just be private favorites</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This is how that works.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451155" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451155">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh, can you all not see them?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451158" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451158">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>never mind then :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451168" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451168">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>let's use the <span aria-label="point up" class="emoji emoji-1f446" role="img" title="point up">:point_up:</span> emoji (point-up)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451181" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451181">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's just annoying to put an emoji on your own comment :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451198" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451198">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me often thinks that what he says is key ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451237" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451237">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Anyway, so, there's actually a good list of things in the dropbox paper already</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451260" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451260">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Let me just say a <em>bit</em> more about what I was hoping to get out of this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451284" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451284">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Basically, I was thinking that -- both as part of the meta working group and the larger governance WG effort -- there is a need to have some idea what the processes <em>should be doing</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451344" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451344">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>And often I think we bundle up a lot of things together with a vague term like "the WG lead should keep the WG running"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451348" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451348">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>But what does that <em>mean</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451365" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451365">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also suspect some of those roles (notably "lead") can be broken apart into finer-grained roles</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451399" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451399">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>Plus of course I'm concerned that there are things we kind of aren't doing that maybe we should be (e.g., looking over older bugs and things)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451442" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451442">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>To toss out one of those things from the doc (I see people are editing in there, too, which is good):</p>
<blockquote>
<p>where do we go with design discussions and tricky questions? (e.g., settling the question of 'gcx etc)</p>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451469" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451469">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>so some of these questions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451482" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451482">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>seem like things that ideally one would want all T-compiler members present</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451541" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451541">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>or at least the most ... prolific? productive? members</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451565" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451565">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah I'm feeling a bit torn between whether we should try to <em>solve</em> or just <em>enumerate</em> :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451567" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451567">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>which in turn requires either an asynchronous discussion and decision process</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451572" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451572">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>or finding a time for a synchronous discussion+decision</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451590" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451590">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've become somewhat skeptical of async discussions of this kind</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451601" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451601">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I just think we don't tend to get a ton of engagement</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451602" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451602">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh yes, sorry, I wasn't sure what you were hoping for when you brought up <code>'gcx</code> as an example</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451612" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451612">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well, actually, I think it's not a bad idea to spend some time talking about how we can solve it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451626" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451626">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e. did "where do we go mean" : which meeting should it be attached to, if any?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451632" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451632">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we can pick a few "key topics" as we go and spend.. 10-15 minutes on each one</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451694" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451694">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451700" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451700">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I just mean "how should we decide what to do"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451713" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451713">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we prob need some sort of mix of sync + async</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451753" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451753">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like it would be useful to have some kind of dedicated time where we can discuss technical design questions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451778" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451778">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I could imagine e.g. picking a topic ("should we go with 'tcx") and having some meeting where we dive into it, coming up with specific questions to answer -- then async do investigations -- and then in next meeting we review results. The idea being to keep driving forward to a conclusion.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451788" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451788">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe we can't discuss another topic will we decide :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161451838" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161451838">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>Right now I guess I feel like we open pRs but not a lot happens?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452042" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452042">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>Another thought (a meta thought): perhaps we need to focus on things at a time. i.e., in the paper doc, we have a big list of stuff, but maybe it's good to organize it into clearer categories.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452098" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452098">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm thinking of:</p>
<ul>
<li>what are jobs within a working group</li>
<li>what do we need to keep quality of rustc high</li>
<li>what do we need to find contributors ?</li>
</ul>
<p>maybe?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452103" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452103">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>let me take a stab :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452408" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452408">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>does that seem helpful? (<a href="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Compiler-team-tasks-and-roles--AZzR7l3lLxyT5AEO08Blu2kcAg-TZxdEmmzMTD049QvEG4Li#:uid=783402604987866453484758&amp;h2=Incoming" target="_blank" title="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Compiler-team-tasks-and-roles--AZzR7l3lLxyT5AEO08Blu2kcAg-TZxdEmmzMTD049QvEG4Li#:uid=783402604987866453484758&amp;h2=Incoming">see here</a>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452499" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452499">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I was thinking if we start to get some categories, then we can (here, in Zulip maybe) focus on a category at a time)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452569" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452569">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me is watching the text flow</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452636" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452636">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>just hacking on paper is itself kind of useful :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452713" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452713">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not sure where this fits in exactly</p>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li>Curate benchmarks, decide on appropriate benchmark suite<ul>
<li>in particular, being able to explain why a particular benchmark is included</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452716" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452716">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's <em>kind of</em> a triage issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452726" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452726">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I wonder if performance deserves its own section somehow</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452741" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452741">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>ideally compiler performance was/is has its own dedicated strike team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452757" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452757">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>and they should, ideally, be experts on the benchmark suite for the compiler</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452798" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452798">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>a reason I wrote the line item about measuring performance and curating benchmarks</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452801" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452801">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Perhaps too meta, but one idea might be: how do we best have discussions aimed at solving the types of problems that we're trying to solve right now? i.e. how could we do things like this meeting better or more effectively? It was mentioned before trying to get engagement and have compiler team folk around.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452814" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452814">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>was that I spent time recently on <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/11084" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/11084">#11084</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452824" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452824">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, that feels like it is sort of circling around the same question I raised earlier, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452833" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452833">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>but on a different sort of "problem"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452890" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452890">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>all I wanted to point out is that sometimes someone reports a benchmark</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452901" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452901">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>and then we identify "ah the perfomance issue went away"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452925" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452925">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>but the benchmark doesn't necessarily get curated. and then a subsequent regression has to be tracked down, if one wants to understand what happened.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161452987" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161452987">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, sometimes we add "regression tests" to our perf suite, but not always</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453045" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453045">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>and to be fair (and as you stated), if you add every little benchmark to a suite, it can overstate the importance of that benchmark.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453060" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453060">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>especially if one adds the 100 variations of the benchmark that were originally developed for investigatory purporses</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453077" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453077">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>and then that gets misinterpreted later as "look at all the benchmark PR X regressed"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453078" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Zoxc <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453078">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not sure when you are referring to compile time or performance of emitted code here. Compiler performance is a bit ambiguous</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453080" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453080">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Perhaps too meta, but one idea might be: how do we best have discussions aimed at solving the types of problems that we're trying to solve right now? </p>
</blockquote>
<p>I've been circling around this in many contexts and I'm not sure what the answer is yet. For example, I feel like in the <strong>traits working group</strong>, we have a need to have regular "design discussions", both to spread knowledge and to figure out tricky stuff. At the compiler team level, I feel the same way. I definitely feel that trying to have these discussions be <strong>synchronous</strong> is a big win -- video may be helpful too, though I'm not convinced. Zulip often seems to scale great.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453108" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453108">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I'm not sure when you are referring to compile time or performance of emitted code here. Compiler performance is a bit ambiguous</p>
</blockquote>
<p>ah that is fair. I was speaking of performance of emitted code.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453113" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453113">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>but we should (and do) track performance of the compiler itself as well.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453116" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453116">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>One thing I've thought about is having a "standing meeting time" (kind of like this, but maybe more frequent) and a shared agenda, and letting people add things to it when they are having questions. BAsically a time that the "busy experts" commit to being around to try and work through something.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453157" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453157">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>ah that is fair. I was speaking of performance of emitted code.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>argh, I forgot that indeed we don't even <em>track</em> this right now.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453188" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453188">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="130111">@Adam Perry</span> was working on lolbench</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453196" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453196">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it never got "official"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453201" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453201">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>not really sure of its status even?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453285" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453285">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>the page is still getting updated</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453381" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453381">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>though  I do not know if the updates reflect useful info, or are just a robot grinding with no real info being added.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453422" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453422">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>the page is still getting updated</p>
</blockquote>
<p>which page are you referring to?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453427" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> qmx <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453427">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> you used to do office hours, did that worked well?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453428" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453428">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://lolbench.rs/" target="_blank" title="https://lolbench.rs/">https://lolbench.rs/</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453449" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453449">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>it has entries through 2019-03-21. But they have been empty for a long time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453525" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453525">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>you used to do office hours, did they work well?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>an interesting question. I've been feeling very sad that I gave those up. I keep meaning to start again. But I was thinking of trying a different format. Instead of short 30 min sessions with lots of folks, I was going to try something more committed -- where I would pick one person per month with a <em>hard problem</em>. And we would spend an hour each week attacking it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453536" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453536">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was also going to make these open meetings.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453560" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453560">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>And considering proposing to the lang team that we rebrand this as a "lang team effort", maybe rotating duty</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453572" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453572">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've considered similar things around compiler contributions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453576" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453576">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was trying to switch the NLL WG meetings to take an office hour format</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453620" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453620">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>but the last two meetings were like ghost towns, so maybe that isn't working or isn't worthwhile</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453628" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453628">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>My reasoning was that -- well, sometimes the problems were easy, and that's fine, but other times, I culdn't find a satisfactory answer. And I'd like to dig more into those problems, they are probably areas where Rust could really use improvement.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453647" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453647">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>i certainly like the <em>idea</em> of WG-directed office hour meetings</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453728" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453728">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>where the main participants agree to synchronize on a shared time to be present and be actively reading the ongoing chat session</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453791" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453791">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>but the last two meetings were like ghost towns, so maybe that isn't working or isn't worthwhile</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Not trying to ask a loaded question, but is there a lot of NLL work left to do? Perhaps as NLL has "shipped" in Rust 2018, there's less interest from contributors to show up to the meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453818" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453818">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes that is certainly a reasonable conclusion</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453902" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453902">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>(there is work left to do, especially with diagnostics, but its possible that those issues can be taken care of without a dedicated working group)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453931" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453931">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>i certainly like the <em>idea</em> of WG-directed office hour meetings</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think one problem is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453932" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453932">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>That's mostly why I've attended less actively, less ongoing work and there are other working groups where I'll be able to learn more (having participated in NLL for a while and learning a bunch there already).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453942" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453942">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>there has to be enough people <em>answering</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161453972" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161453972">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., if the WG is very one-sided, with a lot of folks asking and one or two people answering, it's hard to make an "office hour" format work, unless I suppose everybody is learning from each answer</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454069" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454069">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>So... <a href="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Compiler-team-tasks-and-roles-TZxdEmmzMTD049QvEG4Li" target="_blank" title="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Compiler-team-tasks-and-roles-TZxdEmmzMTD049QvEG4Li">the paper doc</a> is starting to look pretty good to me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454085" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454085">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, now that I think <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> has largely sorted the paper doc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454097" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454097">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>the next Q is: Which of these things are we doing, which are we failing to do ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454192" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454192">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> : "Closing random ICEs ..." means <em>fixing</em>, right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454206" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454206">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>lol, correct</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454322" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454322">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>There is definitely some overlap in some of the categories</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454323" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454323">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>which... is probably ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454347" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454347">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., I think that under the "running a WG" label,  I put "updating the team as a whole"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454356" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454356">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I also put that under "intercommunication"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454361" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454361">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>in part because I think there are two parts to it ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454413" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454413">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., I think there is work that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> is presently doing around the triage meeting, of figuring out which teams to solicit updates from</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454420" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454420">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>and of course the work of the team to <em>listen</em> and <em>read</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454453" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454453">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll confess that when updates are overly async I tend to ignore them :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454467" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454467">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me feels bad about it, at least</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454477" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454477">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I'll confess that when updates are overly async I tend to ignore them :P</p>
</blockquote>
<p>what does this mean?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454498" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454498">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e. you see the ones at the triage meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454513" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454513">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>but if a team just sends out a message at a random time, you don't notice?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454535" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454535">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>or if its just that some PR lands and that's all the notice you got?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454542" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454542">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't know</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454545" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454545">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean that e.g. I don't read "this week in rust"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454548" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454548">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454552" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454552">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>if I just get some e-mails, I probably would ignore them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454554" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454554">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean I'll read them</p>



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<p>but not as closely as at a meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454561" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454561">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>and maybe late:)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454618" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454618">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe the answer is "niko needs to adult better"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454621" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454621">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I mean that e.g. I don't read "this week in rust"</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I don't either, usually, and I feel sort of bad about it too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454627" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454627">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I sort of suspect that it's very common :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454656" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454656">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>or maybe it's not, maybe it's more because some of us are multitasking a lot of things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454662" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454662">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>TWIR is a resource that some people definitely care about</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454668" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454668">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I do wonder if we should be leveraging it more in some way</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454673" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454673">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>not just in terms of reading it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454676" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454676">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>let me be more specific</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454678" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454678">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>but also feeding info into it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454683" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454683">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that if people were e.g. posting regular updates to internals</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454694" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454694">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would be unlikely to see them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454713" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454713">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>e-mail is perhaps better</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454718" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454718">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>but only marginally so</p>



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<p>at the same time, I recognize that making these things purely sync is ungreat</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454736" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454736">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>that said, I could certainly imagine something like this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454744" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454744">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>at the start of this meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454748" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454748">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>we had the "announcements" period</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454751" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454751">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I could imagine a shared "reading and ask questions" period</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454757" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454757">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>where people come with (prepared) notes and updates</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454805">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>and maybe we track if we aren't getting updates from a particular team in a long time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454809" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454809">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and these updates become something we can post)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454827" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454827">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>where people come with (prepared) notes and updates</p>
</blockquote>
<p>but we don't type them into zulip, I mean</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454844" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454844">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>rather we post a link to them, and we all agree to either read them before, or read them live, and ask questions :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454877" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454877">(Mar 22 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I feel like weekly is a burden, but that might be a good fit for steering meetings)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454933" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454933">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><em>anyway</em>, our time here is almost up</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161454996" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161454996">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>but one nice property from this meeting is that the summary is already written :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455015" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455015">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>I like the starting announcement period, I think that worked well today</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455021" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455021">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also liked it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455028" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455028">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>I will now subvert the proces</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455037" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455037">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>by saying</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455040" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455040">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was happy with the "meta structure" of this meeting, in terms of using a poll + general announcements</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455043" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455043">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>I <strong>wish</strong> I had remembered to mention <a href="https://oli-obk.github.io/fixmeh/" target="_blank" title="https://oli-obk.github.io/fixmeh/">https://oli-obk.github.io/fixmeh/</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455054" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455054">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>which is a cool little hack</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455249" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455249">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>about that. Would making a graph about the total age of all FIXMEs send the wrong message or be otherwise undesirable?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455291" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455291">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>how would you compute a FIXME's age? Based on the last time its source line was touched according to <code>git blame</code> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455320" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455320">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was actually thinking about starting tracking at a certain date and just diff the list that I extracted</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455342" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455342">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh I see</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455351" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oli <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455351">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>the other thing is too fickle</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455439" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455439">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't have any objection to such a graph.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455450" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Vadim Petrochenkov <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455450">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I like the starting announcement period</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I'm a bit late, but here's an announcement.<br>
I have a few issues with ICEs/regressions/questions assigned + pending reviews including the updated eager expansion RFC.<br>
Once I'm done with that I'll be implementing name resolution for attributes in non-macro positions (a remaining piece of macro modularization).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161455620" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161455620">(Mar 22 2019 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123856">@Vadim Petrochenkov</span> cool!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161461620" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> anp <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161461620">(Mar 22 2019 at 16:13)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> the anomalous results sections are collapsed by default but results are still collected</p>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> lolbench continues to run, i have a sponsor for the hardware but haven’t migrated to the new boxes yet. i’d be happy to do a quick project status rundown if the compiler team is interested</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161461866" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> anp <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161461866">(Mar 22 2019 at 16:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>tldr is that i believe it’s still producing useful data, a try mode is the next big thing missing for productivity, and i’d be very happy to try to help make it officialer</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161462289" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> anp <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161462289">(Mar 22 2019 at 16:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>if compiler folks think that contributors would appear i would also be happy to work on mentoring instructions for a variety of tasks and list lolbench in twir</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161467616" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161467616">(Mar 22 2019 at 17:31)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="130111">@Adam Perry</span> I explored the ui a bit and could not figure out how to uncollapse the results, FYI</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161468185" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> anp <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161468185">(Mar 22 2019 at 17:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh no</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161468216" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> anp <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161468216">(Mar 22 2019 at 17:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>i’ll take a look</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161483867" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161483867">(Mar 22 2019 at 21:04)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>if compiler folks think that contributors would appear i would also be happy to work on mentoring instructions for a variety of tasks and list lolbench in twir</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think we could make contributors appear</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161484781" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161484781">(Mar 22 2019 at 21:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>Minutes: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/47" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/47">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/47</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161651922" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161651922">(Mar 25 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="130111">Adam Perry</span> I explored the ui a bit and could not figure out how to uncollapse the results, FYI</p>
</blockquote>
<p>hmm, I now <em>do</em> see the <code>[+]</code> on the left hand side to uncollapse the results</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161651949" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161651949">(Mar 25 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm pretty sure I couldn't see that before. I don't <em>think</em> my window was too thin, but I'm not sure.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering%20meeting%202019.03.22%20%2358850/near/161652053" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/steering.20meeting.202019.2E03.2E22.20.2358850.html#161652053">(Mar 25 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh actually, it probably <em>was</em> too thin. I didn't realize how easily it is to make a window that is so thin that you only see a very slight sliver of black from the right most <code>]</code> in <code>[+]</code></p>



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